Why One Bad Innings Can Ruin Your Whole Week

Why does one bad innings ruin your whole week?

Why do other people’s opinions feel so important?

And what should a coach actually say after a player makes a mistake?

We’re answering all of that from your questions in this week’s episode.

I’m Nathan Wood.

and I’m Briony Brock

Welcome to the Cricket Mind Podcast.

Okay, I’m very glad to say that this week we have Briony back on the pod and we’re going to use this episode to answer some questions that our lovely listeners have sent in, of which we have five. So shall we get stuck into them Briony?

Yes, let’s.

Right, so the first question comes from Nikita on Facebook and her question is this. I started playing cricket a few years ago at my local club. We entered a women’s development league and it’s really fun. But I hate that everything is scored and public on play cricket. I worry so much about what others think about my scores.

I am constantly torn between feeling I’m making progress and being proud and then knowing that people will be following our games and looking at my stats. How can I overcome this? Briony, what do you think?

Well, I think it is such a common feeling that people experience probably at all levels of the game to varying degrees. I think we could probably do a whole episode on play cricket and the impact that’s had. I know we’ve talked about it and about what life was like before play cricket. Obviously leagues like this would have probably been done on paper, but I know you’ve talked about there being Ceefax

Yeah. Yeah. So for those listeners and probably most listeners, I don’t know what the age profile is, but, in the eighties and nineties, there used to be a service on the telly called Ceefax And it was, what was it? It was a text based service. And in the Lancashire dressing room at the time, and I think in every single county dressing room at the time.

was a telly in the corner and Ceefax was always on and it showed the ⁓ stats from the leading run scorers and the leading wicket takers in county cricket. that was a pre play cricket kind of thing. Not very sophisticated, but yeah, we had Ceefax.

Well, it just shows really doesn’t it that cricket has always been a stats heavy game. It’s drawn in maybe people who have a tendency to like those things, but it also creates this extra level of pressure at every level. I know children who use it quite a lot because it’s used for most children’s games, parents even showing their children’s, oh, they’re the highest run score in the club, waving it around. And it’s a real challenge for people who are playing.

cricket at the moment in this country. I think as with a lot of things, it can be useful to think about how you’re measuring success for yourself. I think this is a great time of year to have a think about what you want to get out of this season and think what success looks like for you at the level that you’re at. That might be you want to pick up the ball more cleanly when you’re fielding. You might want to recover well after bowling a wide.

or you might want to better manage the nerves that you feel when you go out to bat. Measures of success that are within your control and things that you can really hone in on. And then after each game, you can either write down or just think about, how did I do in that measure of success? You know, that’s not runs, that’s not wickets, that’s nothing like that. That’s your things that you’re working on. And play cricket’s not gonna disappear, but it’s about shifting the focus.

to your development, particularly if that’s the area that you’re working on and the stage of your cricket. I would also say with play cricket, you don’t have to look at it. So if it is something that feels unhealthy or a bit of a problem, I would encourage you to delete it if that’s what you want to do or not check those scores, not fuel that fire.

And I guess finally, I would say most people are probably less concerned with what you’re doing. If they’re checking it regularly, they are quite probably checking their own stats. They’re not checking like the sixth team of the club or the women’s development team. They’re probably looking at where they fit in and how they’ve been doing. But I would say it’s a very, it’s a very valid feeling that being torn between the metrics and then feeling proud of yourself.

has taken it to a different level, hasn’t it? Because not only have you got the stats and more of them, but now you can see clips, can’t you, of your dismissal or somebody getting your wicket. ⁓ And with this visibility does come or can come a bit more judgment, either internally or externally. So, yeah, I can understand the challenge that it presents to lots of people.

And I think what you were saying actually is really helpful. You’re naturally going to look at your stats, aren’t you? And that’s going to draw your attention. But if you can get your mind to a point where you’re actually thinking about how you can impact the game in lots of different ways, and that could be bringing energy in the field. It could be being a supportive teammate. could be backing up and running your singles really

quickly, I don’t know, but all these things, don’t have to have a metric next to them for you to have a real impact in the game. And I think that I have seen signs actually, Briony, in some teams that I’ve worked with, particularly professional teams, where there is a bit of a shift to not this player averages 50 and so he should be in the team, but actually this player has impact on the side. So maybe, you know,

We’re slowly shifting, but a long way to go, I suggest. But I think your advice is pretty sound.

Yeah, it is a difficult one and the stats don’t show everything either. They really don’t show the full picture of the game and the progress that you’re making. I think particularly for children, it can get quite easy. I know this isn’t a child that’s written in, but it can be quite easy to get caught up in those stats ahead of, but actually did I play well? Am I making progress over the course of the season or am I a bit fixated on being the highest run score or whatever? So I think just having a bit of a think about.

this time of year, what do want to get out of my season? Where do I want to really improve on last year?

I’ve got a question for you actually. Who do you think actually likes stats?

⁓ The people that are probably

I don’t know even if the people that are doing well because then you’re always chasing that feeling that you’re doing well. I think maybe parents whose child’s doing well.

Yeah, and performance analysts, I guess.

Performance analysts look more at matchups and ways that wickets are taken as well now. don’t know you’re going to be looking, well, he’s got loads of wickets.

And yeah, I suspect most people don’t like stats. mean, maybe those who’ve scored 100 that day, it’s a fleeting feeling, isn’t it? But like you said, the pressure’s on next week, isn’t it? Can I replicate that? So shall we ban play cricket, Briony?

Yeah, I think we should.

paper scoring. Do you?

Yeah. Okay.

Anyway, next question.

So this one comes from David Finch and it’s sent in by email. Your story at the start of the last episode about dropping a catch and the coach kicking his cap around the boundary really resonated with me. I’m a junior coach and I sometimes struggle to know how to react when a player makes a silly mistake in a game. I don’t want to ignore it, but I also don’t want to diminish their confidence. What’s the best way for coaches to respond in those moments?

Hmm. Well, I definitely wouldn’t recommend having the same reaction as my old Lancashire coach. these situations, I think these situations show how difficult it can be for a cricket coach, a sports coach in the heat of a game because sport, especially when you’re invested in it, it can be highly emotional, but showing that emotion.

can sometimes be really detrimental to the team or the player that you’re coaching because in those moments young players are not just competing in the game they’re also learning about the game and part of this learning is about making mistakes. So I think that the best thing you can do as a coach when a player does make a mistake and all players will make mistakes is to regulate yourself first.

because that initial reaction that will become part of their learning process if they see it. And I think it’s important to bear in mind that no matter how annoyed, how frustrated you are as a coach, that player will be much more annoyed and frustrated with himself or herself. So if your response is one of high emotion sarcasm, frustration,

anger, then that player will feel that instantly and powerfully. And this often can create a fear of failure in the player or at least more hesitation in that game. So I’d like to know what you think, Briony, but I think for me, the best reaction in those moments is to be calm and it’s to be neutral. What would you say?

Yeah, it’s funny actually this question because today I was at a tournament at Lords – an Indoor Schools Tournament under 11 girls. I was with a team of year sixes and quite a lot of mistakes going on there. And I find the kind of way, particularly for a drop catch, the best way for me to channel my frustration is to go, great effort, great effort, Nathan, great effort.

because it’s like it overrides my frustration immediately. It’s like my default response. I don’t know if it’s the best. mean, what’s the best? Who knows what’s the best way to react? But it stops me becoming frustrated because it’s positive. It’s an automatic thing I do every time. So it’s like my mouth just does it. And I think it also praises the effort, doesn’t it? Like they have gone for the catch. That’s better than them just kind of watching it. And I like to think it’s…

It’s encouraging, but sometimes the silence can be quite deafening.

Yeah, I think you need to know the player, don’t you? I mean, one thing that I used to hate as a player actually was if a coach was supportive to me or gave me some kind of praise when I’d done badly. I actually preferred it if he or she was quiet and let me get on and then have a conversation. But I do think there’s some players who do thrive on that support. So I think you’ve got to know your player, don’t you? Maybe I was just a bit of a pain.

You know, a bit odd, but yeah, that’s how I would say. One thing that I would say is,

I’m not saying that you should as a coach ignore the mistake completely. mean, your job as a coach, it is to support the player, which involves helping them to learn from that mistake. But I think, I think it’s the timing, isn’t it? That’s important. You know, you probably don’t want to do that coaching bit when both you and the player are in a heightened state. ⁓ emotionally, you probably want to do it when they’ve calmed down, when you’re both in more of a

a logical state of mind, which may be the next day it might be the next coaching session. ⁓ So I guess in a nutshell, stay composed when they make the mistake ⁓ and then do the coaching bit when you’re in a better frame of mind.

definitely separating the emotion from the instruction is really, really important. I think, ⁓ yeah, you see it quite a lot where people go straight in to fix the… with an instruction, but it’s not going to go in at that stage, is it?

You’ve said that much more eloquently and succinctly than I did, but yeah, perfect. Right. Third question. And this comes from Caroline, who sent this in from Instagram. My son really struggles with his batting from a mental perspective. He’s always upset when he gets out. And I try to tell him what he’s done wrong so that he can learn for next time, but he just gets annoyed. It can ruin his whole day.

Any advice on what to do? Well, he’s definitely not alone, is he, Briony? I used to sulk for a week when I, you never mind a day when I go out. What would you say to Caroline?

Yeah, I’d say he’s definitely not alone. actually that point on, and cricket’s so brutal. You don’t get to go and have another turn. You’ve got to wait and often watch everybody else and think about what’s happened. it’s tough. What I would say is separating that emotion from the instruction is important. You do see it with junior cricket. A child walks off the pitch. They’ve just got out.

beeline for them. Why do you play that shot? Or you should have done this and it’s just not the time. You really want, think ideally you deal with that emotion first. You know, I can see you’re frustrated, but that’s okay. It’s totally okay to be annoyed or upset when you get out. I think that’s valid. I think we all probably feel it, but show it to different levels. And like we talked about on our resilience episode, processing it and riding that wave of that emotion is really important.

rather than trying to fix it with some advice or whatever that they probably don’t need. I would say for a child, supporting them to reflect after their game, we’ve talked about this quite a lot with a lot of our clients at all levels. Keep it really simple, something that went well, and then something to take away for next time. That’s sufficient because often when something goes wrong, we get out.

That can kind of open a bit of a loop in our head that we feel we need to fix so we can keep coming back to it all day. Why did I get out? Why? What happened? Frustration, annoyance, confusion, all of that. But by recognizing, well, I did this well. And actually, and you’ve talked about this a lot before Nathan, failure is learning, right? If we’re calling it failure. So actually what I’ve learned is I don’t necessarily play the straight ball very well.

So what am going to do next time? I’m going to go away and work on the straight ball. And then you can kind of close that loop in your head because you’ve got a bit of a plan. You know what you’re doing. You’ve reflected. And as a parent, you’re in a really good position to support that process and contain it a little bit. So emotion first, let them ride it out for a little bit. And then you go into that little bit of purposeful, intentional reflection, and then you try and move on from it. And hopefully that should contain the upset.

little bit more because you don’t, especially if it’s junior cricket and you finish at noon, you don’t want his whole day to be ruined. That’s beyond the pale really. So if we can contain it and close that internal loop and then try and do something nice later in the day or move on, that would be what I would advise. And it might be hard at the beginning, you might keep coming back to it, but if you can just remind them, we know what we’re doing, we can move on.

you might find over time that that feels more manageable for him.

It’s a natural emotion isn’t it for him to be upset when he’s out, you know, who isn’t upset and…

He cares, doesn’t he? He wants to do well. But what’s happening is that when he’s getting out, when he gets out, he’s becoming kind of cooked, isn’t he? Overloaded emotionally, which means that he’s not rejecting Caroline’s advice. He just can’t hear you in that moment. So like you said, know, space, time, settle down. John Neal was on the…

podcast a few weeks ago, wasn’t he? And he talks, he talked about, be a parent in that moment, you know, so the most important thing, protect your relationship first. ⁓ the most important thing is that you’re his parent before being his coach if every, you know, car journey becomes a debrief, they’ll start to associate cricket with pressure. So.

Sometimes the best thing he can do is to talk about anything but cricket and then that often creates the space for him to come back to it when he wants to and probably more positively. it’s difficult isn’t it? Cricket can be such a frustrating game.

It can, and it’s so tempting when someone’s upset or annoyed to go, but it was a good ball. but you got X number of runs. but this. And again, like we said in the resilience episode, that’s not very helpful. It’s perfectly alright to sit there on the sideline with your child and go, that was rubbish. I completely understand that you feel frustrated. Just sit in it with them, be there with them as they’re feeling those things and just

ride the wave and they’ll get more comfortable with that feeling over time.

And I think once emotions have calmed down, maybe the next practice that that player has, maybe focus in on that specifically because it’s one thing having the time to come down emotionally, but actually it will still be nagging in the player’s mind, particularly further up the, if they’re more experienced as a player.

why they’re getting out like that if it’s a pattern and doing something about it can often help, you know, not just from a technical perspective and a skill perspective, but from a mental perspective, you know, action often helps, doesn’t it? But you’ve got to be in the right space to.

Yeah. Like it closes that mental loop to have a plan about something that’s not going your way. ⁓ Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Next question.

Next question.

Right, this comes from Sully via Instagram. So I play for several teams, which include my school, my club and my county, and I get lots of advice from different coaches. Last week I was told by one of my coaches to bowl as fast as I can, and then I was told to slow down by another coach. Both are good coaches, but I find it confusing and don’t know what to do when I get opposite advice. Please help. This is actually really funny.

I was at an indoor game last year or something and the children were fielding and the coach, one coach walked around the hall and told them all to stand forward from the netting. It was a netted indoor thing because then they could be better able to catch it if it bounced off the netting.

And then I watched the other coach walk around the hall exactly the same afterwards and tell them to lean back against the netting so they could come forward as they were walking in. And I just stood there watching them do it and the children, none of them challenged it. None of them said, well, he just told me that. They all just did what the most recent one had told them. And it was just, it was quite funny to sort of see it in action, just like Sully here is talking about.

No, that’s a brilliant story and it’s a common issue, isn’t it? You know, and I think it’s an issue that is becoming much more common because there are so many coaches who are now available to players and more coaches equals more opinions. So for me, it comes down to gaining clarity. So a bit like you were talking about there, having a filter and

taking responsibility or ownership of your own game. So when I talk about clarity, whenever a coach gives you some advice, like that example that you were giving there, make sure that you are very clear on what the advice is, but crucially, why are they giving it? So in his example, I think he said that one of his coaches said, bowl fast.

Another one said, slow down. Well, you know, that might be because one is focusing on developing your pace, Sully. Whereas the other one might be worried that, I don’t know, you’re bowling to a batter who can’t handle your pace. And so it might not be anything about you. So clarity in terms of what and why the coach is saying is really important. As for the filter.

Unfortunately the truth is that the more coaches you encounter, the higher the risk of getting some poor advice. It’s all well meaning.

But it might be, maybe a better way of putting this is, you know, maybe it’s advice that isn’t right for you because maybe that coach doesn’t know you well enough. But either way, you could get advice that doesn’t benefit you. And I think that the reality is that if you, as a player, try to implement everything that every coach says to you, you’ll soon become confused. And Briony, you alluded to it there.

It’s very, very difficult, isn’t it, when you’re a young player making their way and you’re to impress everybody around, not least your coach. Sometimes, well, always the coach in that environment is older than you, probably more experienced than you, maybe has a profile, but it’s very difficult to challenge somebody like that ⁓ in the moment. But the truth is that you don’t need to follow everything that a coach

says so easier said than done, but choose wisely when it comes to who you take your advice from. And even when that advice is coming from someone that you trust, you still need to test it out to make sure it’s right for you. And what was the other thing? Ownership. So responsibility, this is a big one.

The best players, they don’t just receive coaching, they start coaching themselves. And over time, I think you want to, and I don’t know, do we know how old Sully is? Over time, you want to move away from being told what to do to understanding your own game so that you can analyze your own game in order to be able to adjust things, especially when you’re in a match.

I don’t think you missed that.

because you won’t have the coach there. ⁓ Would you agree with that, Briony? Anything to add?

would. I think actually what’s maybe less helpful is that sometimes coaches feel the need to add value. I think adding value can be interpreted as shouting instruction every ball or whatever it might be. I think that can compound this further and make it more confusing and make it harder to take ownership.

So I’m just writing that down about the add value because ⁓ when I was going through that level four journey, you have to come up with a coaching philosophy and you have an interview and you do a presentation. And I came up with this line with my coaching philosophy. I want to add value, not interference. I.e. sometimes less is more. And I think that you’re absolutely right. I’ve seen so many coaches now over the years who because they get in

that position of responsibility, they might be getting paid, there might be a parent over the shoulder. They want to be seen to be adding value in their mind and in their mind adding value is noise and intervention and saying stuff and doing stuff and getting the player to change things and often that’s the last thing that you need. ⁓ So yeah, great advice there from you.

So how would you flip this question to give advice to coaches if they’re working with a player that they know has multiple coaches? Is there any advice you would have to a coach in that position about how to navigate that situation to avoid confusing and overwhelming the player?

Well, there’s an old phrase before rushing to judgment, seek understanding. And what I mean by that in this context is if you know that a player is working with other coaches, if it’s possible, reach out to those other coaches and say, I’m working with Sully in this context. I’d like to know what you’ve been working on, et cetera. Are there any areas I need to be aware of? So you get that information.

Now I appreciate that sometimes that’s not possible. So ask the player, what have you been working on with the coach and why is that? Just try and arm yourself with as much information as you possibly can so that you can add that value, not just add another layer of technical complexity. ⁓ Understanding your player is so important and what they’re doing.

in different contexts. It’s very easy just to work in isolation as a coach. And I do think that we’ve always got to remember that the player sits at the center of this, not the coach. And I think that’s why actually some of the great coaches are quite modest and humble. It’s about the player, not them. So remember that it’s all about the player and then actually finding as much information

around that player in terms of their support work, their support network and ⁓ information that you can gather. So it might be a conversation with a parent. I understand that, you know, Billy’s working with, you know, Jane, you know, what’s, what’s going on? What do I need to understand? So get understanding. A long winded way, Briony

seek understanding, sort of avoid just instructing from the get-go.

Yeah. So Peter Moores used to talk about, ⁓ when he first started in the game, a coach was there to give information to the player. You know, this is what I know. This is all the knowledge that I’ve got and here it is. And actually as he evolved his coaching, he suddenly realized actually my job’s not to throw everything that I’ve got onto the player. It’s to.

kind of draw out from the player what’s already in there and then help them and support them with that. And if they need a bit of extra stuff then you give it to them. But that would be the first port of call And I think that’s great advice actually.

Mm, I agree. Really useful.

⁓ so yeah, Sully, all the best for the season. ⁓ thanks for sending in a great question. Let us know how you get on. Be interested to, to find out. Right. ⁓ final question, Briony, and this has come in via Jacob T and that’s on TikTok, which we’ve kind of just started, having a go at. And, ⁓ yeah, he asks, my daughter is 11

and has just started playing hardball. She loves bowling and she used to love batting when she played softball. But now she is scared of the ball. Do you have any ideas on how we can work through this? She was a strong batter in softball and now she says she hates batting. Briony,

how do we help? This is such a common thing. I’m based in and we have, for girls, have, last year and previously we had under 10 and under 12 softball and under 11 and under 13 and under 15 hardball. So they still had that little bit longer of having kind of bit of softball for the fun. But this year, this first year, we’ve under 10 softball and then it’s all hardball from there. So it’s tough.

And I think a problem in kind of development cricket at the moment is people seem really rushed to rush into hardball before they have the foundations of softball. And so they’re not holding the bat properly and therefore it feels really heavy or they’re hitting the edge of it a lot and it’s maybe ricocheting onto them. And then those fundamentals do need to be there in part for confidence. It’s a hell of a lot to have a child who’s

got a plastic bat that weighs nothing and they’re hitting a slow wind ball that’s looping down and they feel amazing. And then you put, not only do you have a very hard ball, which comes in quicker, you have a very heavy bat, a helmet, pads, gloves. It’s a lot of components that are making this more challenging and less fun arguably. So I would strip it right back. I would be going pads, helmet.

gloves, bat. Make sure they’ve got a bat that’s not too heavy. That’s again, something you see and it just puts them off because they can’t use it. You want that good stance. Probably at that age girls, you want the bat nice and high so it feels light. And they want to be hitting through the ball as well, not just stopping because it’s not going to go anywhere if an under 11. ⁓ And I would be starting with maybe bowling machine balls if you have access.

I really like them as a starting point because you can feed them low, below knee height, and you can really make sure that the fundamentals of that are stepping to the ball, stepping forward, getting your weight forward and hitting through the ball in your pads with a wooden bat. Get used to the heat that the helmet adds that maybe affects your visibility in some ways. Get used to the feeling of the big old pads that are probably brand new, so really stiff and hard to move in. Just getting used to all of the gear.

and the movement that they are aiming to do. And then you can start moving up a little bit, up the kind of ladder, and then you can go a hard ball, underarm feed it. The same movement as they’re doing with the bowling machine ball, getting forward, hitting through the ball. Because I think something that you see quite a lot, if they haven’t gone through the stages, is legs are locked. They’re not stepping to the ball. They lean back, they hit it, and it kind of goes up in the air. It doesn’t feel very nice.

But if you can get them in a good position and then actually when the ball comes in quickly and they’re moving towards it, they can feel empowered. They can get a bit more confident. They can see that it actually moves. They can hit it hard and they can feel a bit more kind of confident and in control. So I’d move up the ladder that way. And then if you need to add another step of bowlers using an incrediball that can be another step.

I wouldn’t rush the process. I’d really break it down to make sure that their movements are right first and that they’re comfortable in the equipment before you add in a bowler that feels really quick at you because it’s just such a big jump. ⁓ I’ve heard so many times girls who do this transition say, I like bowling hardball, but I like batting softball. It’s because they’ve just been chucked in at the deep end. If you have the time, Jacob, and you probably are

invested in your daughter enjoying her cricket, I would just have a go down to local park or nets or whatever, strip it back a few times and try and instill that confidence and enjoyment of it. Because I think she may hate batting forever more, but you might be able to bring that joy back if you move through those stages. And she realizes that actually if she can step forward and hit the ball cleanly, it can go much further than it can in softball and it can give her a real sense of satisfaction.

So I think we as adults, those people who’ve played cricket for a long time, seasoned cricketers, coaches long in the tooth, I think we forget about how difficult it is when you first put that kit on, because it changes your balance. It feels alien. And actually, I’m just thinking back now as to when I was a player, actually when I got a new bit of kit.

That felt awful. And I might have been wearing it for 15 years, you know, but if I got a new pair of pads, they used to be very stiff. And I used to spend a lot of time actually putting bands around the pads so they’d shake around my legs so they’d feel a bit more comfortable and actually wearing them around the house. And I think that all that advice that you were saying was absolutely fantastic and spot on. And I would add that when you, if you’re a

a parent listening to this and you’ve bought all the new kit for your son or your daughter, get them to wear it around the house. Get used to it because it doesn’t just get them used to it, it breaks it in, softens all the padding and whatnot and it makes, after a while they’ll start feeling like it’s part of them because eventually it does feel part of you, doesn’t it?

know, putting a helmet on is like the final part of, I’m now walking into, you know, to battle. I’m a gladiator. But at the start, it’s like, crikey, this is heavy on my head and it’s affecting my balance and I can’t see and all that stuff. We talked about this, we, recently with Laura McLeod, who had quite a lot of advice. Yeah, we did. So if you missed that episode, it might be worth, you know, listening to that. I think it’s a couple of episodes ago.

We did, yeah.

Mm.

Yeah,

I think it’s an interesting one and I most state schools may do cricket, but they definitely won’t. I’ve never heard of a state’s primary school doing hardball cricket for girls. And I’ve heard of relatively few state secondary schools doing hardball cricket for girls. There even some mixed primaries. They’ll do hardball cricket with the boys before they do it with the girls.

and it’s kind of perpetuating this cycle of girls getting into it slightly later, so being maybe pushed in a little bit more, of like in at the deep end a little bit more. So I think, there’s more to be done in that area, I would say.

Yeah. It is a big transition. There’s no doubt about that. And we’ve not really talked about the fear factor as well that comes with a hard ball. A hard ball hurts when it hits you. It’s as simple as that. So there is a massive transition here. And I think you, like you said, staging it appropriately is the best way. I’m not sure it’s one of those where you just dive in ⁓ straight away. You could drown.

Right, so that’s it, isn’t it? We’ve got no more questions. think so. So that brings us to the end of the show. A big thank you to everyone who sent in a question. I thought they were excellent. What do you think?

Yeah,

really, really good and yeah, really mixed bag. It just shows how complex cricket is and how many different things affect people across the levels of the game.

Yeah. Well, hopefully there’s something in there, you know, that, that people can take away and apply to their own game, whether that’s, you know, being a player, a parent or a coach. So next week we’re joined by a Cheshire player, an all rounder called Rohan Luthra. And he’ll be taking us through his experiences across a lot of different levels of the game from

County age group cricket, to Loughborough university, playing for national counties and life as a club pro and I’ve got some stories on that, so it should be interesting. So if you’re enjoying the pod, please do subscribe and you’re on your favourite platform. All the details are in the show notes. And if you’re feeling extra generous, a quick rating and review really does help

more people to find the podcast. So thanks for listening or watching. Briony let’s call that stumps.

Let’s… We’ll see you next time.